MrCrowbar
Nov 11, 04:52 AM
I wonder if they'll do a version of the ad with the female camera that speaks Japanese, but make her an American camera that speaks English. :-)
American Camera? Err.... I don't know any American brand that makes cameras... :rolleyes:
American Camera? Err.... I don't know any American brand that makes cameras... :rolleyes:
solvs
Sep 15, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by King Cobra
I'll PM you about it, since it would move the thread well off topic.
Yeah, cuz that never happens. ;)
Actually, I just wanted to point out to everyone that the G4 uses a 167 MHz FSB, and the new G3 is CAPABLE of a 200 MHz FSB. The P4s use a Quad pumped 133 FSB (533 effective, kinda). The "old" one used a Quad 100 (400 effective). Now the Celeron uses the 400. But they are HOT, and take A LOT of energy to run.
The AMDs used a 100 MHz DDR FSB for the old Athlons and the Durons (200 kinda, because it's rising and falling), and DDR 133 for the "newer" Athlons (which they call 266). No CPU yet uses a 333 FSB, DDR or otherwise. AMD will soon, but it's Vaporware for now. And if DDRSDRAM only adds about a 5-20% increase over SDRAM, even when used properly, do the math.
Do you really think they're getting the full 533 or 266?
Just thought I'd clear that up.
I would go off about MHz myths and pipeline stages and other boring things that are often misunderstood, but I'm tired. And I'd rather not put myself to sleep. I just hope Apple can win oer the newbies with something cheap and easy, and keep the professionals with something fast enough to at least keep paces in some stuff with a similarly configured WinTel.
OS X is great, but if I can render something in 1/3 the time for 1/3 the price, what do you think I'm gonna choose?
I'll PM you about it, since it would move the thread well off topic.
Yeah, cuz that never happens. ;)
Actually, I just wanted to point out to everyone that the G4 uses a 167 MHz FSB, and the new G3 is CAPABLE of a 200 MHz FSB. The P4s use a Quad pumped 133 FSB (533 effective, kinda). The "old" one used a Quad 100 (400 effective). Now the Celeron uses the 400. But they are HOT, and take A LOT of energy to run.
The AMDs used a 100 MHz DDR FSB for the old Athlons and the Durons (200 kinda, because it's rising and falling), and DDR 133 for the "newer" Athlons (which they call 266). No CPU yet uses a 333 FSB, DDR or otherwise. AMD will soon, but it's Vaporware for now. And if DDRSDRAM only adds about a 5-20% increase over SDRAM, even when used properly, do the math.
Do you really think they're getting the full 533 or 266?
Just thought I'd clear that up.
I would go off about MHz myths and pipeline stages and other boring things that are often misunderstood, but I'm tired. And I'd rather not put myself to sleep. I just hope Apple can win oer the newbies with something cheap and easy, and keep the professionals with something fast enough to at least keep paces in some stuff with a similarly configured WinTel.
OS X is great, but if I can render something in 1/3 the time for 1/3 the price, what do you think I'm gonna choose?
Deimo
Nov 2, 03:30 PM
The important pieces to note about the marketshare is that this definitely is coming from switchers, not from upgraders. If you look at the data, you will see that it's broken up between MacOS and MacIntel. The data for MacOS is just PPC people, and that actually remained constant throughout the year:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/chartfx62/temp/CFT1102_0428382CEA7.gif
while the marketshare for MacIntel has been a nice parabolic curve:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/chartfx62/temp/CFT1102_04293606D2A.gif
for full information go here:http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/chartfx62/temp/CFT1102_0428382CEA7.gif
while the marketshare for MacIntel has been a nice parabolic curve:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/chartfx62/temp/CFT1102_04293606D2A.gif
for full information go here:http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=2
iJon
Sep 15, 12:42 AM
I loved every minute of it. I've been under it twice for various surgeries. I always treated it like a game, seeing how long I can stay awake. Before you know it, someone is shaking you and telling you their all done. It's pretty incredible if you ask me, your out just like that. If only I could go to sleep that well every night.
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djdole
Nov 6, 02:09 PM
My bet is on the RFID being used as a payment device.
Especially since :apple: stores are already good about automating the purchase process (with emailed reciepts and the like), and with Apple recently changing their in-store handheld payment devices, with the fact that Apple currently maintains a record of your payment methods. So associating your previous payment/billing method with the rfid in your phone would allow them to easily scan you previously-purchased phone, confirm against your ID then have you on your way with your purchase.
Such as when I was in to purchase my 1st-gen iPhone, I used a credit card. Then when I upgraded to 3GS they just asked if I wanted to use the same card. It kinda shocked me that they were keeping that info, but it was quite convenient. But the only reason they were able to use my previous method was because they already knew it was me (because I was upgrading my phone). Other visits where I was just buying an accessory, I still had to whip-out my card and go through the whole process.
If they have the RFID in the phone, then they could possibly use this for any/all other purchases (not just new iPhones).
AND it would also allow them to identify a phone's owner if the phone were lost or stolen and returned to their store. As well as ensure that
Additionally, they could also use it to be sure that the phone returned to them is the SAME phone that was sold, so there wouldn't be any consumer fraud.
This would mean a decrease in profit-loss, which would eventually be passed on to consumers. :-)
Especially since :apple: stores are already good about automating the purchase process (with emailed reciepts and the like), and with Apple recently changing their in-store handheld payment devices, with the fact that Apple currently maintains a record of your payment methods. So associating your previous payment/billing method with the rfid in your phone would allow them to easily scan you previously-purchased phone, confirm against your ID then have you on your way with your purchase.
Such as when I was in to purchase my 1st-gen iPhone, I used a credit card. Then when I upgraded to 3GS they just asked if I wanted to use the same card. It kinda shocked me that they were keeping that info, but it was quite convenient. But the only reason they were able to use my previous method was because they already knew it was me (because I was upgrading my phone). Other visits where I was just buying an accessory, I still had to whip-out my card and go through the whole process.
If they have the RFID in the phone, then they could possibly use this for any/all other purchases (not just new iPhones).
AND it would also allow them to identify a phone's owner if the phone were lost or stolen and returned to their store. As well as ensure that
Additionally, they could also use it to be sure that the phone returned to them is the SAME phone that was sold, so there wouldn't be any consumer fraud.
This would mean a decrease in profit-loss, which would eventually be passed on to consumers. :-)
Fraaaa
Apr 21, 03:08 PM
1. Apple is an American company. Their products get released in the US first. The US market is and should remain their primary concern. If the US is going to LTE, that's where Apple needs to go.
2. Apple innovates. It's what they do. Innovate a way to offer LTE with acceptable battery life.
3. Processor speed for phones is overrated, especially when apps are written to account for legacy hardware in the wild. No one is going to write an A-5 only App as long as the iPad 1, iPhone 4 & 3GS level tech remains so widely held.
1. I believe Apple wants the best for their US and Non-US customers, you guys should stop differentiate yourselves from the rest of the world, you are not any special than us. No offence.
2. From the last financial report Q&A:
Q: How do you think of the maturity of LTE? And Apple's sense of urgency to get products out?
A: I was asked this question when we launched the iPhone with Verizon. The first generation of LTE chipsets forced a lot of design compromises. Some of those we are just not willing to make. We are extremely happy with the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 3GS. And hitting 18.6 million units was something much larger than we thought we could do this quarter. And to 3 more large carriers.
Innovating worth nothing if done wrong. I didn't say Apple will never adopt it. I said it might not be the best time at the moment. This statement from Apple seems in line with what I said.
3. This is the exact same thing that I said earlier:
when people will realize that computer usability lies in the software and not the hardware?
You say processor speed is overrated, that the actual iPhone are good enough, yet you disagree on LTE/4G to not be implemented this year? Isn't 3G good enough?
You say in two years time bla bla I'd wish I had 4G on my current iPhone, and why wouldn't I wish for a better processor? Make up your mind.
LTE coverage is already decent in the US thanks to verizon's aggressive rollout. They already cover 110 million Americans (over a third). They'll be in 145 markets by year's end, covering well over half of the US. Full coverage by 2013.
http://news.vzw.com/LTE/Overview.html
Immaterial. Package size is not directly proportional to die size as any sort of general rule. You also presume the iPhone 4's PCB is so dense it couldn't handle a larger package (if needed). All speculation on your part.
The battery is the same rating (25 whr) and the device gets the same (if not better in some tests) battery life than the iPad 1. Debunked.
Unsubstantiated claims followed by baseless speculation.
Of course mine are speculation, I brought the argument up because I'd like to hear someone else's opinion.
Rumors are saying the next iPhone iteration could be having the same package of the current iPhone. I'm bringing two facts up, the A5 die is bigger then the A4 as both are 45nm. And at the iPad2 keynote they said how could they manage to get the same hours of battery life with a much powerful processor, the answer was that their engineer had a workaround - later to be found an additional pack of battery.
Considered this I think that Apple will redesign the internals of the new iteration if they are going to use the same package.
About the network, this: Full coverage by 2013.
Second of all: Verizon. What about AT&T?
Third and I repeat this, you guys should not be considered special compared to the rest of the world.
The fact that Apple used GSM technology for the first iPhone was infact that they could rollout their product to other countries as CDMA is not adopted as much as GSM worldwide. The same applies to LTE/4G. There is no reason of adding hardware that can be adopted by a quarter of the customers if not less that that. It's a waste of money in design and implementation, let alone that even Apple is not willing to make the leap with compromise that are not willing to make by adopting this fairly new technology.
2. Apple innovates. It's what they do. Innovate a way to offer LTE with acceptable battery life.
3. Processor speed for phones is overrated, especially when apps are written to account for legacy hardware in the wild. No one is going to write an A-5 only App as long as the iPad 1, iPhone 4 & 3GS level tech remains so widely held.
1. I believe Apple wants the best for their US and Non-US customers, you guys should stop differentiate yourselves from the rest of the world, you are not any special than us. No offence.
2. From the last financial report Q&A:
Q: How do you think of the maturity of LTE? And Apple's sense of urgency to get products out?
A: I was asked this question when we launched the iPhone with Verizon. The first generation of LTE chipsets forced a lot of design compromises. Some of those we are just not willing to make. We are extremely happy with the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 3GS. And hitting 18.6 million units was something much larger than we thought we could do this quarter. And to 3 more large carriers.
Innovating worth nothing if done wrong. I didn't say Apple will never adopt it. I said it might not be the best time at the moment. This statement from Apple seems in line with what I said.
3. This is the exact same thing that I said earlier:
when people will realize that computer usability lies in the software and not the hardware?
You say processor speed is overrated, that the actual iPhone are good enough, yet you disagree on LTE/4G to not be implemented this year? Isn't 3G good enough?
You say in two years time bla bla I'd wish I had 4G on my current iPhone, and why wouldn't I wish for a better processor? Make up your mind.
LTE coverage is already decent in the US thanks to verizon's aggressive rollout. They already cover 110 million Americans (over a third). They'll be in 145 markets by year's end, covering well over half of the US. Full coverage by 2013.
http://news.vzw.com/LTE/Overview.html
Immaterial. Package size is not directly proportional to die size as any sort of general rule. You also presume the iPhone 4's PCB is so dense it couldn't handle a larger package (if needed). All speculation on your part.
The battery is the same rating (25 whr) and the device gets the same (if not better in some tests) battery life than the iPad 1. Debunked.
Unsubstantiated claims followed by baseless speculation.
Of course mine are speculation, I brought the argument up because I'd like to hear someone else's opinion.
Rumors are saying the next iPhone iteration could be having the same package of the current iPhone. I'm bringing two facts up, the A5 die is bigger then the A4 as both are 45nm. And at the iPad2 keynote they said how could they manage to get the same hours of battery life with a much powerful processor, the answer was that their engineer had a workaround - later to be found an additional pack of battery.
Considered this I think that Apple will redesign the internals of the new iteration if they are going to use the same package.
About the network, this: Full coverage by 2013.
Second of all: Verizon. What about AT&T?
Third and I repeat this, you guys should not be considered special compared to the rest of the world.
The fact that Apple used GSM technology for the first iPhone was infact that they could rollout their product to other countries as CDMA is not adopted as much as GSM worldwide. The same applies to LTE/4G. There is no reason of adding hardware that can be adopted by a quarter of the customers if not less that that. It's a waste of money in design and implementation, let alone that even Apple is not willing to make the leap with compromise that are not willing to make by adopting this fairly new technology.
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jackerin
Mar 17, 09:16 PM
I have read that you should find a type of photography that you're good at and stick with it rather than try to be a jack of all trades type. Trying to do sports, weddings and landscape all at once may not be the best idea, for example.
Agreed. I couldn't see myself doing stuff like wedding photography or school photography; some things aren't for you and if you force yourself to do it you'll end up miserable. Rather, I think a more appropriate way is to think of it in terms of comfort zones. I'm mostly doing indoors portraits right now, I've got the gear down and I know roughly how to get what I want in terms of lighting. That's my comfort zone. I could continue doing just that and take good pictures, but I also want to challenge myself. How can I bring lighting outside? How should I deal with harsh sunlight? These are areas outside of my comfort zone, and only by exploring them can I grow.
My own addition to the list: "don't think, just shoot".
Agreed. I couldn't see myself doing stuff like wedding photography or school photography; some things aren't for you and if you force yourself to do it you'll end up miserable. Rather, I think a more appropriate way is to think of it in terms of comfort zones. I'm mostly doing indoors portraits right now, I've got the gear down and I know roughly how to get what I want in terms of lighting. That's my comfort zone. I could continue doing just that and take good pictures, but I also want to challenge myself. How can I bring lighting outside? How should I deal with harsh sunlight? These are areas outside of my comfort zone, and only by exploring them can I grow.
My own addition to the list: "don't think, just shoot".
twilson
Apr 19, 10:30 AM
iOS Expose could be an improvement to multitasking, maybe they need to wait for the A5 to have the power to make it work.
Why can't the A4 display the 9 screenshots, as per the video, it's hardly taxing?
Why can't the A4 display the 9 screenshots, as per the video, it's hardly taxing?
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pepitko
Apr 5, 03:59 PM
TBH, it looks like an iPhone with a cover that says iPod on the back, I say it's fake.
NSeven
Apr 18, 05:31 AM
This could be a sneeky attack from microsoft.. no one will take down Apple's POWER !!
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javabear90
Oct 26, 07:51 PM
Looks great! I like it better than gmail.
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netdog
Oct 26, 08:56 AM
Anybody there now? Any crowds?
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cadillac1234
Feb 18, 10:33 AM
From that picture I can correctly diagnosis that Larry Ellison would probably be a jerk
wizard
Mar 25, 01:37 PM
They have every right to sue if Apple violated their patent. They invented the technology and decided to protect it, period.
If Apple indeed violated the patent that is true, if the patent itself is valid under the law.
You'd be royally pissed if Microsoft came out with the mPhone which looked and felt exactly like an iPhone...parents exist for a very good reason.
1. When was the last time that Kodak came out with anything remotely similar to an Apple product?
The fact that kodak is a dying company is neither here nor there and has no place in this thread.
This is where you are absolutely wrong. The fact that Kodak is a dying company plays a big part in this because it looks like they are trying to drum up income by enforcing questionable patents. Further it leaves people with the thought that Kodak has given up on being a positive innovator and a company that contributes to both the local and the national economies. Frankly I have a serious question in my mind if Kodak could do anything remotely positive with the money if they did win.
If Apple indeed violated the patent that is true, if the patent itself is valid under the law.
You'd be royally pissed if Microsoft came out with the mPhone which looked and felt exactly like an iPhone...parents exist for a very good reason.
1. When was the last time that Kodak came out with anything remotely similar to an Apple product?
The fact that kodak is a dying company is neither here nor there and has no place in this thread.
This is where you are absolutely wrong. The fact that Kodak is a dying company plays a big part in this because it looks like they are trying to drum up income by enforcing questionable patents. Further it leaves people with the thought that Kodak has given up on being a positive innovator and a company that contributes to both the local and the national economies. Frankly I have a serious question in my mind if Kodak could do anything remotely positive with the money if they did win.
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Abstract
Sep 25, 11:37 PM
Hm?
This really doesn't make sense.
The word "Podcast" is derived from iPod, of course, but the CONCEPT of podcast is not inherently ipod-related. Because of that, it inherently dilutes the iPod trademark. You could just as easily call it an MP3-cast, and not have people be confused that it's coming from Apple (and the fact that Apple has been continually trying to trademark iPodcast itself for quite some time is another interesting bit of info).
The very fact that you're trying to have it cover Zune, Creative, etc. when it's derived from a specific product shows that Apple HAS to protect its trademark, particularly when another company is trying to profit from that name.
Well Steve Jobs has promoted the popularity of Podcasts, and how many are available right now from so many sources.
Steve Jobs basically named them Podcasts himself. Then he promoted their popularity and how easy they are to obtain from the iTMS for free.
And yes, people could have called them MP3Casts, but using a slight derivation of the name of a very popular cultural icon shouldn't be wrong. I wonder how much Microsoft would love it if the whole world renamed their Podcast as "ZuneCast" instead?
This really doesn't make sense.
The word "Podcast" is derived from iPod, of course, but the CONCEPT of podcast is not inherently ipod-related. Because of that, it inherently dilutes the iPod trademark. You could just as easily call it an MP3-cast, and not have people be confused that it's coming from Apple (and the fact that Apple has been continually trying to trademark iPodcast itself for quite some time is another interesting bit of info).
The very fact that you're trying to have it cover Zune, Creative, etc. when it's derived from a specific product shows that Apple HAS to protect its trademark, particularly when another company is trying to profit from that name.
Well Steve Jobs has promoted the popularity of Podcasts, and how many are available right now from so many sources.
Steve Jobs basically named them Podcasts himself. Then he promoted their popularity and how easy they are to obtain from the iTMS for free.
And yes, people could have called them MP3Casts, but using a slight derivation of the name of a very popular cultural icon shouldn't be wrong. I wonder how much Microsoft would love it if the whole world renamed their Podcast as "ZuneCast" instead?
Bennieboy�
Apr 24, 08:32 PM
still not getting nothing lol my ps3 on the other hand seems to have stepped up a gear, i was on 13 completed WU's yesterday and it's jumped to 20 today :O seems weird lol my ps3 not having any trouble getting the units lol
^^ oh no i'm using the gui version, i'm rubbish with out point and click haha
i've restarted the program now about 10 times, rebooted my computer once, and my router, but still nothing lol
*edit* finally, i turned on ' no preferences ' and it found something lol it dont look big WU, so should be rolling :D
^^ oh no i'm using the gui version, i'm rubbish with out point and click haha
i've restarted the program now about 10 times, rebooted my computer once, and my router, but still nothing lol
*edit* finally, i turned on ' no preferences ' and it found something lol it dont look big WU, so should be rolling :D
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Eidorian
Jun 17, 07:56 PM
I mean your attempted joke about a newer version coming out by Christmas was a poor effort, and that further attempts could be better.What joke?
The older models aren't being produced anymore.
The older models aren't being produced anymore.
Rodimus Prime
May 5, 07:50 PM
The "Apple Tax" is largely just in the mind. PC Magazine, and several tech blogs, have had comparisons and found that a Mac is cheaper than machines from some Windows machines (I think Sony and Dell were more expensive but I could be wrong). Out of five tested, the Mac was in the middle.
I did the math, and gave it up after I had consistently lousy experiences with every version of Windows I used, with hardware from a variety of well known manufacturers.
I will happily spend the imaginary premium if it provides with a stable operating system.
if maybe if you go spec for spec but often times you end up having to pay for a bunch of crap you do not need or want to get what you want from Apple.
Take this. I needed/wanted a 15in Laptop higher res screen and i7 processor. I bought it for around $1500. Same laptop from Apple over 2 grand. I was willing to give up the alumium body and battery life because they were not as high on my list.
Or try this one. Someone wants a 17 (hell even 15 in) screen but only really need a core duo or a i3 processor. If they went Apple they have to pay a huge tax to pay for all the extra crap they do not want/need just to get that 15 or 17 in screen they want/need.
Apple Tax is in the form of having to buy a bunch of extra crap you do not need/want to get the few items that you do need/want.
I did the math, and gave it up after I had consistently lousy experiences with every version of Windows I used, with hardware from a variety of well known manufacturers.
I will happily spend the imaginary premium if it provides with a stable operating system.
if maybe if you go spec for spec but often times you end up having to pay for a bunch of crap you do not need or want to get what you want from Apple.
Take this. I needed/wanted a 15in Laptop higher res screen and i7 processor. I bought it for around $1500. Same laptop from Apple over 2 grand. I was willing to give up the alumium body and battery life because they were not as high on my list.
Or try this one. Someone wants a 17 (hell even 15 in) screen but only really need a core duo or a i3 processor. If they went Apple they have to pay a huge tax to pay for all the extra crap they do not want/need just to get that 15 or 17 in screen they want/need.
Apple Tax is in the form of having to buy a bunch of extra crap you do not need/want to get the few items that you do need/want.
Liquorpuki
May 4, 10:51 AM
If you're going to present an argument, try not to reach to the bottom of the barrel and take it out of context.
I wasn't presenting anything. I was addressing your argument as you presented it, which was vague and absolute. You argued war is responsible for all important innovation. It is really easy to pick apart a claim like that.
And I don't know what world you live in, but most ppl I've ever met never thought they would get cancer. Or at least not until they are very old when many ppl get it anyway b4 they die. Certainly not young ppl and in a couple of years.
Well, the stats are 30% of the world's population will get cancer this lifetime. Over 10% will die from it, making it responsible for more deaths than any war. So I thought it was funny you were arguing that war, because it causes death, will instill humans with a special urgency that will allow us to develop a cure for something that causes more death.
I wasn't presenting anything. I was addressing your argument as you presented it, which was vague and absolute. You argued war is responsible for all important innovation. It is really easy to pick apart a claim like that.
And I don't know what world you live in, but most ppl I've ever met never thought they would get cancer. Or at least not until they are very old when many ppl get it anyway b4 they die. Certainly not young ppl and in a couple of years.
Well, the stats are 30% of the world's population will get cancer this lifetime. Over 10% will die from it, making it responsible for more deaths than any war. So I thought it was funny you were arguing that war, because it causes death, will instill humans with a special urgency that will allow us to develop a cure for something that causes more death.
Beaverman3001
Apr 23, 10:04 AM
No way I'd buy something that expensive with Intel HD 3000. If you need the CPU of a sandy bridge processor get a MBP. The current gen of MBA is such a better mix of CPU/GPU for what the device is meant for.
dernhelm
Mar 24, 02:04 PM
I think Steve would take issue with that statement.
Being a CEO doesn't mean you own the company.
I support veterans and families, they risk their lives and the government screws them over, but I cannot condone the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Did you vote for Barack Obama? He supports the violence in Afghanistan, he even increased it.
But back on topic. I think it's smart for the military to review the kit they are deploying down to the soldiers on the ground. They should be doing that far more often than they do. But you can't read too much into it. The Army especially requires a lot of kit of the type that Apple currently doesn't sell (PCs in the category of the Panasonic Toughbooks for example).
Being a CEO doesn't mean you own the company.
I support veterans and families, they risk their lives and the government screws them over, but I cannot condone the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Did you vote for Barack Obama? He supports the violence in Afghanistan, he even increased it.
But back on topic. I think it's smart for the military to review the kit they are deploying down to the soldiers on the ground. They should be doing that far more often than they do. But you can't read too much into it. The Army especially requires a lot of kit of the type that Apple currently doesn't sell (PCs in the category of the Panasonic Toughbooks for example).
bibbz
Mar 10, 06:45 PM
I'll be at Knox around noon. :)
baypharm
Dec 3, 09:58 AM
Trafficking is a felony any way you look at it. So the 130,000 will pass on to his attorney's hands. In the end they all get caught.
Winni
Feb 25, 02:33 PM
(like Ubuntu vs Ubuntu Server, server is just additional software.)
Let's say that the desktop and the server editions are DIFFERENT software. Ubuntu is a desktop OS with a full graphical user interface and Ubuntu Server is a full server platform WITHOUT ANY graphical user interface. Repeat: no GUI at all, leave your mouse at home, you won't be needing it. Instead, Ubuntu Server comes with options to be installed as a cloud server, a LAMP stack or for other typical server-only tasks like file and print or database or directory services.
But you are right that both Ubuntu versions use the same repositories and that with sufficient work one can eventually do what the other does or be configured to become the other edition; they are just pre-packaged for completely different uses.
While on the other hand, the OS X client before Lion could never become a full OS X server, at least not when you wanted to replicate or use Apple's proprietary server software and tools on the desktop version of the OS.
When I first read about, I still thought that they would be releasing another version of OS X server. But then I visited Apple's website and their wording didn't leave much room for interpretation: Yes, whatever server features Apple wants to save are now becoming a part of the standard package of OS X Lion. There won't be a separate server edition anymore.
And it makes sense. They buried their server business, so they don't need to develop, market, ship and support a separate server OS anymore.
Let's say that the desktop and the server editions are DIFFERENT software. Ubuntu is a desktop OS with a full graphical user interface and Ubuntu Server is a full server platform WITHOUT ANY graphical user interface. Repeat: no GUI at all, leave your mouse at home, you won't be needing it. Instead, Ubuntu Server comes with options to be installed as a cloud server, a LAMP stack or for other typical server-only tasks like file and print or database or directory services.
But you are right that both Ubuntu versions use the same repositories and that with sufficient work one can eventually do what the other does or be configured to become the other edition; they are just pre-packaged for completely different uses.
While on the other hand, the OS X client before Lion could never become a full OS X server, at least not when you wanted to replicate or use Apple's proprietary server software and tools on the desktop version of the OS.
When I first read about, I still thought that they would be releasing another version of OS X server. But then I visited Apple's website and their wording didn't leave much room for interpretation: Yes, whatever server features Apple wants to save are now becoming a part of the standard package of OS X Lion. There won't be a separate server edition anymore.
And it makes sense. They buried their server business, so they don't need to develop, market, ship and support a separate server OS anymore.
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